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lavendersparkle ([personal profile] lavendersparkle) wrote2009-10-30 09:42 am
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Political polygamy

I've been thinking about this for a while. To be honest, I don't know if it's a serious suggestion or a bizarre satire.

I think I took things a bit too much to heart as a child when they taught us about sharing. I'm so lucky to have everything I have and I get the urge to share it with people who weren't so lucky. An example of this is that I get the urge to share my husband. I'm so lucky to have him and he's so wonderful that whenever I hear of female friends having difficulty finding a nice male partner I get the urge to say "Look, I found a great one. We could share." Now this is a non-starter because Alec has a say in things and he is deeply monogamous by nature and took the message from Big Love that three wives means three times the nagging and more than three times the arguments. He also claims that if I talk about this to much with female friends they'll start avoiding me.

From a less personal point of view, I notice that there seem to be more good single women than good single men. When I think of my friends, there are lots of women who I can't understand still being single because they seem like such perfect girlfriend/wife material but not so much so with my male friends. I'm starting to think that there just aren't enough good men to go around.

From a more political perspective, I think polygamy could be like political lesbianism lite. I can see the logic of feminist separatism on statistical level. Women with male partners are more likely to be abused by their partners and their children are more likely to be abused by their partners because men are much more likely statistically to be abusive toward their family than women. Sometimes I get infuriated by the way feminism is always having to make itself palatable to men and sometimes I think that logically we should just up and off and set things up without them. On the other hand, I like some men and I don't want men who act kingly and righteously to be excluded from this utopia. I'm also aware that for some women, all the feminist theory in the world isn't going to stop them liking cock.

I think political polygamy could bring some of the advantages of political lesbianism. Women might be safer in polygamous marriages because they are sharing their partners and their living spaces with other women who could be more likely to see and act to protect each other and their children from abuse. They could also help to screen potential husbands for each other. Women could see how a man acted with his current partners to see whether he had abusive tendencies which only came out when he was living with a partner. So one side of the benefit can be summarised as women who share husbands would be able to protect each other.

The other side of it is that if you practise polygamy you don't have to have as many married men as in polygamous society. You can skim off the least sexist/abusive x% of men to have relationships with women and not have to expose women to the rest of them. Furthermore, the very real risk that if they don't sort themselves out they'll not be able to get a female partner, could force men to stop thinking that they're G@d's gift just because they have a Y chromosome. If a man doesn't want to do his share of the housework, he knows that his girlfriend could leave him for a man whose wives will confirm that he does. I suppose it's a similar argument to those saying that popular schools should be able to expand their intake. Good husbands will have more wives and all men will have to be better husbands if they want to have a wife.

Like I said, I'm not sure if this is a serious suggestion or a parody. Just some thinking out of the box.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, whilst the idea of sharing partners is something I'm fine with the notion of actually having to *live with* all the people said partner's decide to like... *shudder* (living with people is effort, living with people you didn't choose is extra effort), also houses with lots of space (for lots of people) cost a lot more per person I think (um, I mean that, say, a 4-bed house might be quite cheap between 4 people but a 10-bed house is not cheap even between 10 people).

Plus some women want lots of men (and lots of women) :-)

But probably if you made it so no bad men could get nice women then the bad men would go and be involved with the bad women (who can't persuade the nice men and their nice wives to have them); perhaps that's for the best, but it probably wouldn't deprive them entirely of female company thus serving less well to educate them (probably make them more sure than all women are 'bad').

[identity profile] lavendersparkle.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that the cost issues are due to the fact that most people nowadays don't have households which actually require ten bedrooms, so lots of bedrooms are a luxury which is put into houses which also have other luxuries like being detached ect. On the other hand, if your house just has lots of bedrooms, it doesn't cost much more. My parents had a five bedroom semi because they had four children and actually found it a bit difficult to find a buyer for. The most practical thing if you wanted to have a polygamous household would be to build new or adapt housing. Knocking through two houses could be a good option, or building an extension. You could also then adapt the houses in other ways to suit polygamous families better. I read a while ago that you could tell that polygamy was declining in a particular country because most new housing only had one kitchen. Even women willing to share a husband tended to be unwilling to share a kitchen.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Poly, but from an "I want to share an economic and child-raising alliance" perspective rather than an "I want to share a support and sexual alliance" perspective.

[identity profile] roz-mcclure.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
It's like the free market, but for romantic relationships?

There could be a social networking/dating site where they rank partners and recommend them to friends. That way, partners would have an impetus to act well in relationships even if they don't intend to stay in one particular city/social sphere.

[identity profile] oedipamaas49.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
You could make a not dissimilar argument about the benefits of polyandry. Suppose a woman has multiple husbands, and one of them turns out to be abusive or otherwise obnoxious. It's much easier for her to separate from him (temporarily or permanently), without entirely losing the structure of her life.

[I take it you saw the recent Guardian article on polygamy in Russia?]

[identity profile] lavendersparkle.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually hadn't seen the Guardian article on polygamy, that was just coincidence.

It captures part of the problem: not enough men, too many of them are poorly educated drunks, so share the good ones around.

Women having multiple husbands would help with the problem of monogamy being isolating and therefore dangerous, but it wouldn't sort out the problem (if it exists) of more good women than good men.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been thinking about this for a while. To be honest, I don't know if it's a serious suggestion or a bizarre satire.

And maybe making a well written but controvertial post will make more people inclined to leave interesting comments.

From a less personal point of view, I notice that there seem to be more good single women than good single men.

My friends seem to be the other way round. I don't know if that's interesting or obvious. I don't know if that's simply because a greater proportion of my friends are men, or because people have different instinctive assassments of "good other half material".

[identity profile] spreadsothin.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's definitely interesting as an idea. I think that public opinion would have to be more accepting of polygamy before a more political polygamy would be recognized as an acceptable alternative. I also think that very many of the kingly men happen to have hard monogamy views (but that's all anecdata from my life).

[identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com 2009-10-30 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
To sidestep the point, I know lots of single men who I think are lovely, and hardly any single women at all.

[identity profile] blazingrowan.livejournal.com 2009-10-31 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
'I think polygamy could be like political lesbianism lite' - tell Bindel! See what she says! :D

And of course, the subject of the email should be...

[identity profile] meihua.livejournal.com 2009-11-03 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
"A Modest Proposal".

(JB still won't get it.)